Fiscal Crisis: Should NY State Cut Programs, or Raise Taxes?
November 9th, 2008 at 6:44 pm

New York State projects a budget deficit of $47 billion in the next four years, and $12.5 billion deficit in next year’s budget. How should the State best address this problem? Take our poll below, or let us know your opinion in the comments.

Watch the entire Town Hall meeting online.

The next step: Governor Paterson has convened an emergency session of the New York State Legislature on November 18 to evaluate nearly $2 billion in proposed budget cuts.

Read more about the Town Hall meeting at the Thirteen Pressroom and Inside Thirteen.

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#62
12/2/08 :: 10:39 pm
KA Says:

go through each agency, cut all perks to upper management, housing, vehicles, fuel, food, etc… Also, cut unnecessary travel between DOCS and other unnecessary medical trips. charge co-pays for medical in detention centers. reappeal the Rockefeller laws and release non violent inmates from prison to alternatives to incarceration. Do not plea bargain down from violent crimes with weapons and portray smoke and mirrors. re-evaluate sentencing restructuring.. the list goes on and on…

#61
11/16/08 :: 7:29 pm
kay Says:

Raise taxes on all purchases. this way everyone will have to pay, the homeowner, the renter, the visitors and also everyone who works off the books,including the illegals who work for $12.00 -$25.00 per hr.and pay no taxes at all.

#60
11/15/08 :: 9:58 am
Mike Says:

I’ve lived in NYS all my life and moved from NYC to Suffolk county 26 years ago. Property taxes have increased disproportionately to middle class income. I’m a small business owner and the cost of doing business in NYS has become so high, looking at other states is becoming attractive. School district consolidation would reduce the redundancy we have and eliminate administrative positions without reducing the number of actual teachers. Patronage or political appointments need to be eliminated. I’m trying to avoid layoffs within my business but there may be no choice.

#59
11/14/08 :: 9:06 am
Kim Walker Says:

As a school teacher I can’t see cutting funding for students. As it is, teachers spend so much of their own money to help the students in their classes. Would the governor consider asking the RICH to help the city they live in by paying more taxes on their incomes. Large companies like Citicorp and others should be encouraged to keep their headquarters in the US, not allowed to move them overseas. These major moves takes funding away from many New Yorker who rely on these companies for their jobs. Who is out their trying to help the families that make less then $200,000.!!!!! Adding more taxes just kills the little guy like us more. Tolls on every bridge just keeps the little guy from getting to work, squeeze us tight enought and we do break!!

#58
11/13/08 :: 1:54 pm
Sheila Says:

Consolidate departments! 65,000+ households are double-taxed on libraries due to overlapping districts. Assembly bills 3714, 3820 & 3816 would remedy this but Assembly & Senate can’t seem to move them anywhere. The SED of course doesn’t want to consolidate and loosen its grip on their empire while we pay twice for a service that one tax already provides; full access to any library!

#57
11/11/08 :: 5:27 pm
Michael Keicher Says:

Get rid of all the unnecessary cars,trucks,etc.that the state has for higher ups,like the Superintendents for prisons.What is there,like 73 prisons in the state.Gas,Insurance,Upkeep on these vehicles has to cost tax payers a few bucks,plus the salary of these positions, i think they can afford to drive there own vehicles to and from work.The state has to start looking in there own backyard,start trimming the tree from the top and not the little guy on the bottom all the time.Just a thought.

#56
11/10/08 :: 10:38 am
Heather Says:

Increase tobacco taxes again… the cost of tobacco related disease costs ALL New Yorkers, not just those that use tobacco! Tax spit tobacco more! Kids are starting to use this more and more because they can get it easier because it is cheaper! MOST IMPORTANTLY keep funding for programs that prove a return on investment for taxpayers such as the NYS tobacco control program that proves it effectiveness and saves New Yorkers money and lives and most importantly keeps kids from starting smoking, which in turn saves even more money! Collect the taxes from tobacco that was sold and is being sold to non-native Americans. New Yorkers are getting ripped off by not collecting these taxes!

#55
11/10/08 :: 9:45 am
Lisa Says:

1. Higher tax brackets for the very wealthy.
2. Make sure everyone in the state is insured. This would reduce wasteful spending in the medical system. San Francisco has a special tax on every single restaurant meal served. This money goes into a pool to help pay for health insurance for those who are working, but uninsured. The idea being that if you can afford to buy a nice dinner, you can certainly afford a couple of dollars to help your fellow citizens. Make the tax lower in small towns and significantly higher in big cities, especially cities that have a high tourism rate. That’s one way to help recoup the failing dollar!
3. GREEN our state. Have public building audits, solar panels and green roofs on public buildings, reclaiming and recycling centers, tax breaks for homeowners who retrofit their houses to be greener. Conserve open space! Growth for the sake of growth is the philosophy of the cancer cell. More trees and a cleaner environment mean better health for all. It’s no surprise that places like the Bronx (where I live) have extremely high rates of asthma. Better health for all results in lower medical spending and more productive workplaces. Promote bicycle use and community gardens in cities. Serve protein-rich vegetarian meals in public schools. Vegetarian food is better for people, the environment, and it’s significantly less expensive.
4. Mandatory high school community service in local government.
The prosperity of a community is not just about money, but about the good health, happiness and contentment of it’s citizens.

#54
11/8/08 :: 3:40 pm
Terry Says:

Dear Governor Paterson,

The regional shares for education state aid were frozen years ago when Long Island had 13% of the population.
Long Island School Districts now educate 17% of the state population but still only get 13% of the regional shares.
When will this inequity be rectified so Long Islanders are no longer burdened with subsidizing upstate and New York City school districts?

Why are you pushing a 4% tax cap when voters passed 93% of the school district budgets last year? It is obvious that the people of the state view education as a top priority.

taxpayer/ homeowner

#53
11/8/08 :: 2:50 pm
SHARON LOMBARDO Says:

MY PROBLEM IS LOCAL PROPERTY & SCHOOL TAXES. MY TAXES WERE RAISED 2X THIS YEAR. SCHOOL TAX HAS INCREASE EVERY YEAR SINCE I HAVED LIVED HERE (27 YRS.) I AM TO THE POINT WHERE I JUST CAN’T HANDLE MY MTG. BECAUSE OF TAXES. I LIVE IN A VILLAGE & I PAY VILLAGE & TOWN TAX..THEY JUST PASSED FOR A BRAND NEW LIBRARY TAX. WENT UP THEN THEY WANTED FUND. FOR THIS LIBRARY TAX UP, THEN SCHOOL TAX WAS INCREASED ALL WITHIN MONTHS. LET THESE TEACHERS TEACH WITH THE BLACK BOARD & CHALK. WE MY GENERATION DID JUST FINE! GET RID OF THE BIG PAY.TEACHERS THAT ARE NOT DOING THERE JOB. $100.000.00 A YEAR FOR ASST. VP. LETS GET BACK TO EARNING OUR WAGE. THAT MEANS WORKING FOR IT!

#52
11/8/08 :: 11:11 am
Janet Says:

I do not know what ahould be done. I do know that I am hanging by a thread. I wish someone would help me.

#51
11/7/08 :: 3:27 pm
Mike Says:

It’s time to take school unions and administrators to task.As a Suffolk homeowner, any decrease in school funding will only raise my property taxes.
Make school district consolidation mandatory.Cap school taxes.Get a handle on these school unions.
If school districts have to lay off, make sure that the dead weight goes out the door.The union policy of last in is the first out only insures that we keep
lazy and useless teachers and administrators with bloated salaries and benefits.

#50
11/7/08 :: 3:00 pm
anne marie meyer Says:

Here is a list of items to consider when trying to find ways to cut the tax burden of New York State and it’s residents. 1) Go to a line item budget that prioritizes and puts the “luxuries” at the end of the list of expenses. 2) Stop spending so much money on sports and related projects like stadiums. They are great, but the players should get much smaller salaries and then the teams could afford to build their own facilities. 3) Reduce the amount of money being given to facilities that provide services to people with special needs. I feel we are obligated as civilized and caring people to help those of us in need through no fault of thier own, but the homes and services are now beyond that which a hard working person can give their own families. We spend just too much for “education” of people who really are at their maximum capacity for academics. Let’s teach life skills and job training that is practical–matched to a person’s potential. It is just too costly to have homes or schools staffed at a ratio of one to one. 4) Stop the state funding for projects such as demolition of the Mid-Town Plaza in Rochester. Corporations need to figure out how to balance their own budgets without taxpayers dollars stipends. 5) Begin to reduce and eliminate rent control for apts and condos in NYCity and especially stop those who are using them for offices and at home businesses. 6) Force via legislation or incentives, consolidation of neighboring small towns and cities to reduce government jobs and need for government funds to help those communities that are struggling while their neighbors are living in comfort from taxes collected on biger homes and more successful businesses. 7) Stop the practice of government employeees retiring at such young age and/or with so few years in gov. service. 8) Reduce the amount of benefits given to those on “welfare” or any form of state funded assistance unless the person WORKS. I see many people fully employed who have a tigter financial situation than someone getting free lunch, WIC, SSI, Housing Assistance, Food Stamps, Child Health Plus, etc. There seems to be no incentive to work,keep your family size small,live a health lifestyle, and be frugal. 9) Offer college funding for students to go to State and Community Schools, rather than the Private colleges that cost far beyond what is needed to get a good education. They are a luxury that wastes taxpayers dollars when we have limited funds. 10) Mandate schools to reduce the amount of money they spend on administrators. There are many many more ways to reduce school costs if you can overcome the teacher’s unions. They do not police themselves when it comes to incompitent teachers and raises just for putting in another year. 11) Tax luxuries more and reduce taxes on purchases of necessity. example: raises tax on boats, second homes, luxury cars, snowmobiles, etc. 12) Stop giving unemployment benefits year after year to the same people. Some cases are seasonal work and others deliberately don’t work hard or consistently so they end up unemployed often. 13) Require ALL properties to pay taxes, eliminating ANY tax exempt status!!! and that means churches, government building, colleges, non-profit, and all businesses!! That would really increase revinue and also would possibly allow a reduction in the homeowner’s property taxes. 14) Stop all benefits to illegal alliens. 15) Do find ways to reduce the salaries of CEO’s!!!! Those salaries end up raising the cost of goods and services to the taxpayers who are working hard and feel so frustrated. Thank you for seeking ideas from the residents of New York State. I welcome more brainstorming of ideas on how to live within our financial limitations, balancing needs, wants, obligations and self gratification, personal opinion and collective agreement, ideal and real.

#49
11/7/08 :: 12:49 pm
carlton Says:

the governor should start by cutting state executive pay including himself to show that the burden would be share by all and not just us regular folks

#48
11/7/08 :: 11:53 am
Barbara (LI) Says:

Please remember that education is not just K-12. Many, many NYers benefit from the community college & SUNY education systems. The budget crisis has the potential to devastate this level of education as well. As families come to realize that they cannot afford or are no longer willing to pay for private universities, let’s hope that SUNY and the community colleges are still in place & functioning. The Governor spoke of looking long term - let’s make sure that as people are displaced from some job sectors that the state university system is poised to assist, re-educate and retrain …. our long term future depends on it.

#47
11/7/08 :: 9:08 am
Lee Burgess Says:

NYC has been a thorn in the fingers of NY State forever.Maybe we should start by letting the residents of NYC pay for their own schools & subways.
However, now that Obama is president I see the line for free handouts getting ever longer.Also, stop giving pay raises to those in the MTA that don,t produce.I’m a low grade manager in the MTA and have never received a merit raise in the seven years on my job, but it seems that the higher the pay grade the better your chances are of getting one.I say if everyone doesn’t get a COLA than no one should get one. That includes Albany too!

#46
11/7/08 :: 8:18 am
May Perrone Says:

I listened with interest to Governor Paterson last evening and was very much impressed with his answers. He is on target with getting our budget reduced. And while I believe we will all feel the pinch, I also believe it is extremely necessary and our own fault we are in this mess. We are an extremely wasteful nation. Its time we looked at ourselves. Its also true that in many areas there is no accountability, such as school districts that waste our monies. We also feel the need to help others. But are we overdoing it? No all, but many people out there use the system. Do they really need all the help they ask for? Or can they help themselves? I am glad that Governor Paterson did not deter from the enormous task ahead of him which is to cut expenses. Its about time we become accountable and stop wasting our resources.

#45
11/7/08 :: 8:02 am
Catherine Lee Says:

BRAVO GOV.PATTERSON!!! Finally we got a human man in the governor’s chair. He seems like the fellow next door, non-political, a man who understands the needs of his neighbors. He has put a human face on the office of governor. Cut spending, trim the state workforce. Run it like a commercial business
not a haven for goof-offs. If you don’t work and produce results you’re OUT! Eliminate waste and abuses in the system. Give assistance to the poor, those who genuinely need it. Eliminate fraud in the welfare system. There are too many looking for a free ride. What happened to the work-fair program?
Establish something like the WPA system of the thirties. There are people in the system who don’t know what it is to WORK FOR A LIVING. We must build dignity and self respect if we expect NY State to prosper. Health care and education will build a worker base of people who can support the state by being employed wage-earners who pay taxes. There is much to be done. Do not penalize the elderly. They supported this country and state as hard working, tax paying citizens. Many fought to save the world. Those really old have what is now a miserly pension reduced in value by both the companies they worked for and our rampant inflation. I don’t ever remember seeing so many old people working. Go to WalMart or any fast food chain early in the day and there they are. BagBoy what a misnomer BagGrandpa is
more like it. Our whole system needs an over haul. I don’t envy Gov. Patterson’s job. I hope the system and selfish interests of politicans don’t beat him down. He is a decent man who will fight to bring NY State back to the respect of the world that this state deserves. Bod bless you Governor!

#44
11/6/08 :: 10:31 pm
Phill Gioia, MPH Says:

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#43
11/6/08 :: 9:58 pm
Henry Says:

The federal government just spent $750 billion to bailout banks and the mortgage industry. If the United States can spend $750 billion to bailout errant businesses (and no less still contemplate bonus packages for their executives) I can’t understand why the United States can’t spend $47 billion (over 4 years) to help out innocent New York taxpayers who have suffered irreparable harm due to the Wall Street crisis. Bonuses for executives…how about maintaining aid to both public schools and higher education instead? Governor Paterson, Senators Clinton and Schumer you’ve got to make sure that New York’s voice is heard in Washington and that our needs are addressed.

#42
11/6/08 :: 9:42 pm
Rodrick Downs Says:

The State should look at people that are on public asssistance. There are thousands of people who are on public assistance that are perfectly able to work but are to lazy to do so. I am in favor of public assistance for those that are in need. However the people who don’t have day care expenses and are perfectly healthy should not be getting welfare or WIC assistance.
Also, workmans compensation fraud amongst state employees. Expand the workmans Comp fraud investigation unit and start cracking down on the people abusing it. State employees are milking the state out of millions of dollars in claims. These people can be seen working on homes, second jobs, out in public,etc. There are more answers to solving the States fiscal crisis rather than placing the burden on State employees such as the survey on this web-site suggested.

#41
11/6/08 :: 9:36 pm
Cesar Torras Says:

I read many good ideas in these comments. I wish the governor reads them and uses them for good economy and cutting on waste. See # 39 for instance. From my part I wish the state or the city would raise a lot of money by enforcing the rules against unnecessary or annoying use of the horn in traffic jams and similar traffic problems.

#40
11/6/08 :: 9:05 pm
Howard Says:

How about taxing Millionaires?

#39
11/6/08 :: 8:58 pm
Susan Simon Says:

Real estate developers in Manhattan should not be given tax subsidies of any kind-they should be taxed 15% on the sale of each and every co-op or condo-period. Commercial leases should be taxed at 15%. The MTA Board should be replaced and should be overseen by a citizen review Board. The state should go after corruption in state agencies. If all these things were done-there’d be no need to raise taxes.

#38
11/6/08 :: 8:43 pm
cliff mossey Says:

Sharon says it best in comment # 10 ” Get rid of waste first.” In my letter to the Governor dated Sept. 8, I proposed getting rid of (at the municipal, town, county and state level) the useless, senseless and wasteful practice of roadside or highway mowing. That would eliminate the cost for fuel, equipment, maintenance, labor and transportation of the equipment (tractors and mowers). It’s a big state with thousands of miles of major roads, especially interstate highways. I measured one small piece of this “right of way”; exit 39 on route 87 at Cumberland Head corners. It’s over 12 acres. Some “roadsides” are cut back over 200 feet. This is clearly not highway maintenance. Take a ride on the Thruway or down to Binghamton on route 88 and see how grossly overblown this practice has become. A total for the entire state would be hundreds of square miles. For the Nation, many thousands of square miles. This practice violates environmental laws involving pollution, erosion and destruction of natural habitat. Many state facilities mow large fields or meadows for no good reason. Millions can be saved by ceasing these practices along with other benefits to ALL NYS residents. Plowing and sanding/salting; YES !! mowing; NO !!!

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